my personal top 20 European kitchen brands

After many requests and lots of diliberations I’ve decided to post my own top 20 European brands. Top 20 European kitchen companies, because I simply felt that there are too many great European kitchen brands to limit the list to just top 10.

My Top 20 is based on the following criteria’s:

  • DESIGN – overall product design, esthetics and selection depth (colors, materials, design elements, etc.).
  • PRODUCT INNOVATION – is this a kitchen brand that takes risks, that is on the cutting edge of technology and innovates or just a company that copies others?
  • PRODUCT QUALITY – how well made is the product? Does the company ‘cuts corners’?
  • SERVICE – delivery on time, delivers complete orders, ‘after sale’ service, etc.

I have chosen not to take into consideration COMPANY SIZE, as there is no real direct benefit to the buyer and I’ve already listed the 10 largest European brands.

I also did not factor VALUE because I feel that value is very individual – what one consumer sees as a great value, another may view as cheap. Webster’s definition of Value is – “a fair return or equivalent in goods, services, or money for something exchanged”. Once a kitchen brand has top design, innovation, quality and service, the price will always be higher. Surprizingly, there are a few kitchen brands on this list that have a pretty good value, as well as ranking high on all the other categories.

In the Top 20 European Kitchen 11 Italian kitchen brands, 7 German kitchen companies, one English and one French are in the above list.

So, without further a due and in alphabetical order here are my Top 20 European kitchen Brands:

The Top 20 European Kitchen Brands
The Best of the Best in European Kitchen Design
European Kitchens at the Top
The Top Twenty European Kitchen Companies

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Honorable mentions: there were a few companies that did not make it to my Top 20 European Kitchen Brands, but deserve a mention. Also in the advise of one of the readers of this blog, i’ve decided to update this post and add a few more (they deserve it!). We’ll call this section the “hors catégorie” (thanks Pierangelo):

Clive Christian – ranked high on DESIGN and if  marketing was a category, will most definitely be included in the Top 20 list.

Marchi – ranked very high on DESIGN and INNOVATION.

Minotti – one of the best in creating the very unique, minimalist and clean look, that goes beyond a kitchen design. Not for everyone and is available only in selected few locations worldwide but Minotti is at the top of the DESIGN category.

LaCornue – though they are really more of an appliance company (ranges, cook tops, etc.) , they do offer cabinets and other elements that allow them to complete a kitchen. Very unique DESIGN, perhaps a trend setter in the high end appliance arena, with HIGH QUALITY products.

 

kitchenguy

Amir J. Ilin, the president of Küche+Cucina, a design firm he started 24 years ago. Ilin’s work has been featured on HGTV, on Donald trump’s The Apprentice, in numerous national publications and on many national magazine covers. He is also the recipient of various design awards, among them “Best of Show Design Award”, from Signature Kitchens & Baths 8 times!Ilin was commissioned to design special projects in very exclusive homes, some located far away from his base in NJ. He was also chosen to create the cabinetry for the newly renovated Plaza Hotel, in NYC, as well as several luxury multi-unit projects around the country. To date, Ilin was involved in installations of more then 3,000 kitchens around the US and the islands, as well as many outside the US, many for well known clients.

This Post Has 767 Comments

  1. Priyam Sharma

    hi..i am looking for renovation in my kitchen..after looking through several websites,i am confused between poggen pohl,Elmar and nolte..i have to see my budget as well..could u please suggest which one is better taking quality and money into consideration.

    1. kitchenguy

      Priyam – In terms of quality – Poggenpohl, Elmar, Nolte. In terms of price – Nolte, Elmar, Poggenpohl…
      You get what you pay for…
      kitchenguy

  2. Jackson

    Hi, I live in New York City and am considering Leicht and Scavolini. I understand that Leicht is a better product, but based on my budget, I would have to get the laminate material. For a lower price, I can get lacquer from Scavolini (with some glass accent as well). What makes Scavolini’s product inferior if they use the same mechanisms? Is there another manufacturer I should consider (was reading about Alno and Cesar and I was offered the Nobila option from Leicht as a more affordable option). Thank you in advance for your advice.

    1. kitchenguy

      Jackson – yes, Leicht is better and it is not just about the mechanisms – it is the way the entire is built and the materials used. Alno and Cesar are not going to be cheaper than Scavolini and if you are alreday considering Nobilia – go for Scavolini. If you want a great quality product, in real lacquer, at a decent price, look at Bulthaup’s b1 and at Pedini’s Magika.
      Good luck,
      kitchenguy

  3. Hayfa

    Hi,I would like to ask about Veneta Cucine. Where do they stand in terms of quality and design compared to a german brand such as Zeyko?
    Thank you

    1. kitchenguy

      Hayfa – much lower end than Zeyko… Not even in the same league…
      kitchenguy

  4. Rocio

    Hi, I am really confused with quality going best with price. I have Valcucine,Bulthaup, Dada and Schuller. I would really appreciate your comments. Thanks.

    1. kitchenguy

      Rocio – all are great brands – go with the one you like best and trhe reatiler that has their act together.
      kitchenguy

  5. George

    Outstanding blog, your comment above: “Surprizingly, there are a few kitchen brands on this list that have a pretty good value, as well as ranking high on all the other categories.. Would you be able to tell me what kitchen brands you think are good value?

    1. kitchenguy

      George – value is relative to the person and based on the needs, wants and also in this case, the model of the brand chosen and door style, so to answer that intelegently, I’ll need to put together a study, rather than a quick reply… – sorry.
      kitchenguy

  6. Daniel

    hi kitchenguy, whats your opinion about rational kitchen in terms of design, product innovation and quality?
    is it comparable to SieMatic, Poliform, Leicht, Sciffini and Valcucine?

    1. kitchenguy

      Daniel – they are okay, but are not coparable to the others.
      kitchenguy

  7. PR

    Hi Kitchen Guy,

    I am based out of Bangalore, India and looking for a country-style/ classic solid wood kitchen. We have short listed on
    A) Spagnol’s Lucy model,
    B) Lube’s Veronica and Laura models,
    C) Scavolinni’s Baltimora and Madeline models

    Can you please let me know which brand amongst the above three is the best in terms of quality? The pricing for all the brands are more or less in the same price bracket.

    Lube has also come out with a new model called Pantheon which we like the most from an aesthetic point of view. It is however 40% costlier than their Veronica and Laura models. But we aren’t able to make up our mind due to our inability to judge if Lube clearly scores higher over the other two brands and making it worth that extra premium. Your inputs and opinion will help us decide.

    Thanks..
    PR

    1. kitchenguy

      PR – all 3 are about the same, more or less. Choose based on design, designer and the company selling and installaing the kitchen.
      kitchenguy

  8. Isanto

    Good day.

    I’m about to decide between Scavolini and Rationale but none of them appears in your list. Can you give me your two cents about these brands? Which one you’ll choose in terms of value (price/quality)?

    Best regards

    1. kitchenguy

      Isanto – they are not included in My Top 20 List, because… they are not on of the top 20…
      Between these two, Rational is better, but will probably be a bit more expensive and I still think it is a better choice.
      kitchenguy

  9. John A. Granato

    Kitchen Guy,

    I have stumbled upon your bl

  10. John A. Granato

    Sorry for the typo……regardless, my question is about Poggenpohl. I am interviewing with then on Wednesday. I have over 20 years professional design & PM experience in the business; however, this is the first time I am looking at a brand of this caliber. I am passionate about design but live in upstate NY. I have no idea what to expect from a Manhattan showroom. Simple L shape kitchens in the US on average consist of about 13 boxes. The larger projects I work on may have up to 30+ boxes not including moldings and trims. My kitchens usuly range from 30,000-40,000 US. I imagine the size of most kitchens in NYC are much smaller. What should I expect the typical Poggenpohl kitchen to go for? Also, who are thae brands that compete directly with them and how do they compare in cost?

    Thank you in advance….

    John A Granato CKD

    1. kitchenguy

      John – some NYc city are small, others can be very large… European NYC kitchens can range from $20K, all the way to a couple of hundred $K’s…But a good designer, should be able to adjust and design anywhere.
      Good luck!
      kitchenguy

  11. Katrina

    Hi Kitchen guy,

    Can you tell me more about Mobalpa?

    1. kitchenguy

      Katrina – since I really don’t have the time to write a book – what would you like to know…? 🙂
      kitchenguy

    2. kitchenguy

      Katrina – a large French company, with qulaity products.
      kitchenguy

  12. Marko

    Hey guys, I need some advice… Arredo3 or Dankuchen, what do you think?

    1. kitchenguy

      Marko – as Dankuchen is a local brand, I’m not familiar with it…
      Sorry,
      kitchenguy

  13. Felix

    Hello,

    Not planning on stalking all the brands for price offers;
    Is Dada more expensive than Varenna, f.e. cabinets with wooden front ?

    thx.

  14. Andrei G

    Ciao Kitchenguy!
    You’re idea of proposing a top of european kitchen manufacturers is very good especially in these difficult moments we are facing in this industry. Can you try also a top 10 best brands (high end)? Will be interesting also to set a top 10 of affordable, kitchens (the optimal choice).
    And one more question, what do you think about Salvarani?
    Best!

    1. kitchenguy

      Andrei – I”l consider that in the future.
      Salvarani, as far as I know was out of business a couple of years ago and I’m not sure what is the present status.
      kitchenguy

  15. ilan

    Hi. Looking to create a contemporary kitchen combining wood and laminate finish. Valcucine was too expensive. Any thoughts on Cesar v Pedini v Bulthaup. Seems like the cesar guy is on our wavelength but don’t know much about it’s quality.

    1. kitchenguy

      Ilan – if Valcucine is too expensive, I’m afraid Bulthaup will also be out of range. Pedini is similar quality, but have a couple of models that are priced lower.
      Good luck!
      kitchenguy

  16. Aleksandra

    Hi Kitchenguy
    We are considering a German kitchen. We are looking at either Hacker or Rotpunkt. Although you mention Hacker a lot, there are few mentions of Rotpunkt as a brand. Which one is better?
    Thank you
    Aleks

    1. kitchenguy

      Aleksandra – Hacker is just better…
      kitchenguy

  17. Bren

    Is TEKA a good brand?

    1. kitchenguy

      Bren – medium to high quality.
      kitchenguy

  18. Aga

    Hello,

    I am currently in the process of purchasing a kitchen. I have gone for pricing to Baulthaup for a B.1 and B.3 and Valcucine Demode because I really like their products and impeccable detailing but I have also explored scavolini, muti kitchen and bath and euroDesign kitchen and bath. Could you please tell me why in your opinion scavolini is inferior to the 20 you have listed. Also have you heard anything of the other two brands I have mentioned?

    Thank you!
    Aga

    1. kitchenguy

      Aga – Never heard of Muti and/or euroDesign. I’m assuming these are local shops where you are located. Scavolini is a lower quality product that is ‘price driven’ and can’t compete with Bulthaup or Valcucine in quality and/or design.
      kitchenguy

      1. Aga

        Thank you. Yes the other two are local shops that have Italian made cabinets and price out very closely to the Baulthaup B.1. Which system do you find to be better the B.1 from Baulthaup or Démodé from Valcucine? I am looking at a matte lacquer finish. I find that the B.1 is very nice but cannot be customized. Should I also go to boffi or do you think these are pretty much the same products?

        Thanks! This is a really great blog.

        1. kitchenguy

          Aga – all 3 are great. Go with the one that feels best to you and the designer/shop that looks most trust worthy.
          kitchenguy

          1. aga

            Thanks! I really like the B.1 from Bulthaup but I am getting really poor customer service from them which is quite frustrating. There is also Gatto Cucine which my architect had some great things to say about but it is not in your top 20. What is your take on them?

          2. kitchenguy

            Aga – Gatto is a nice product Not as good as Bulthaup, but all these products are only as good as the people behind them…
            kitchenguy

  19. Honey

    Is Ricci Millan a good brand compare to the list you’ve mentioned?

    1. kitchenguy

      Honey – Ricci Milan is not a brand, but rather a showroom in Dubai, selling Stosa cabinets… and no, Stosa is nowhere near the Top 20 brands…
      kitchenguy

  20. JD

    Hey Kitchenguy,
    Deciding between Leicht and Aster Cucine. For a kitchen thats 8X10, Aster is coming in at about 4K less than Leicht (27K). Any advice would be appreciated.
    thanks
    JD

    1. kitchenguy

      JD – 6 on one hand, half a dozen in the other – if there’s a 4K difference, go with Aster.
      kitchenguy

  21. Mark

    Is Ernestomeda so far away from the top 20 please?

    1. kitchenguy

      Mark – not sure about “far”, but Ernestomeda is actually Scavolini’s attempt in making a ‘higher end’…
      kitchenguy

  22. Joey

    What is your opinion on Berloni ? I am considering it along with Santos and Scavolini…

    1. kitchenguy

      Joey – you better off with the other two. Berloni is not in the greatest of shape these days…
      kitchenguy

  23. SS

    Hi,

    I know that the brand Warendorf is not in your top 20 list, but would like to know in which segment you place this brand.

    1. kitchenguy

      SS – Warendorf is a unique segment on its own… – for many years, they were the ones producing Miele kitchens. After they lost their license to do so, in 2010, they were left with a factory, producing the most expensive no-name kitchens in the world… They then partnered with Philippe Starck, to create a new line, but that did not prove as the winning formula. They are now trying to re-invent themselves. We’ll keep watching them.
      kitchenguy

  24. Subramani BT

    we are interior company based in Bangalore.
    Looking for Italian/imported brand kitchens in Bangalore.
    We are looking for good in quality / price.
    Like to import directly.
    300 kitchens approx. requirement in next 6 months.
    suggest some names

    1. kitchenguy

      Subramani BT – I’m not sure that I follow you – are you looking top purchased kitchens in Bangalore or to import yourself?
      kitchenguy

    2. SS

      Dear Mr. Subramani,

      I am from Sobha Projects and Trade, we are the importers of a Luxury kitchen brand from Germany. You can reach me on +919945022994. We should be able to address your requirment.

  25. Julian D

    Deciding between Arclinea and RECORD e Cucine. Both are sold locally here by design stores that seem to know their business. You do not mention RECORD. How do they compare.

    1. kitchenguy

      Julian D 0 Arclinea is a better product (will most probably also be more expensive). Record is not as high end and currently are in some financial trouble, so the choice is simple…
      Good luck!
      kitchenguy

  26. anna

    deciding among the good quality kitchens, Bulthaup b3 is the preference, however it is above our budget. which quality brand would you reccommend that offers a modern and minimalist style like b3 but in a lower budget? siematic, poggen pohl or any other?? thank you

    1. kitchenguy

      Anna – where are you located? Not every brand is available everywhere…
      kitchenguy

      1. anna

        belgium

  27. Soula

    We have looked at many companies and decided on the Siematic Beaux Art 2 kitchen. The quotes seem to be rather high and standardized, regardless of the country where one orders them from. Are they generally a more expensive brand than the other top brands on your list, and if so, why is this the case?

    1. kitchenguy

      Soula – SieMatic are more expensive than many other brands and at times, for no apparent reason…
      kitchenguy

  28. aga

    Thanks! Your advice is very helpful. I have to take back my previous comment about bulthaup as I have since been dealing with the owner and he has been great. I am definitely team bulthaup my husband team gatto so we are in a bind. His concern being that b.1 has ply wood drawer interiors which aren’t good to clean and are not ideal in moisture. What is your opinion?

    1. kitchenguy

      Aga – I think you’ll need “his” and “hers” kitchens… 🙂
      I see his point and I personally am not crazy about that either, but these are the corners they cut to be able to deliver a less expensive kitchen…
      kitchenguy

      1. aga

        Hehe, his and hers, I like it! If my husband starts to cook he can have just his 😉 I think we might hold off until we can afford bulthaup the way it is meant to be b.3, and with your blessing go for Gatto.

  29. Tim

    Hi Kitchenguy,

    I posted here earlier this year as we were looking for a new kitchen for our house in France. We liked bulthaup B1 and Siematic, also Varenna but finally decided on Pedini Dune. I know that you are a fan of Pedini. We also chose all Gaggenau appliances. The kitchen was installed late September and we have continuing problems with Pedini quality. Out of 14 door fronts, there were quality problems with 5. Replacements were sent a few weeks ago but 2 had wrong hinge cutouts and 1 was again faulty. It will be 3 months (hopefully) from installation before we have a fully completed kitchen. The installation company have been excellent but Pedini quality control seems to be non existant. Gaggenau and their appliances are great.
    Certainly not what one expects from a supposed top brand.
    Any suggestions ?

  30. Oliver

    Could you give me your thoughts about IKEA and SCAVOLINI, it seems to me the IKEA is the low end brand. But their price is very good. Even the Leicht is not on your top 20 list, do you suggest that?

    1. kitchenguy

      Oliver – IKEA is the lowest end. plus you’ll need to essemble it yourself… Scavolini, though is not a high end brand, is mucher better than IKEA. Leicht is not in My Top 20, because there are more than 20 brands that are better…
      kitchenguy

  31. Con

    Hi!
    I know that the brand VALDESIGN is not in your top 20 list, but would like to know in which segment you place this brand.
    Whats your opinion about VALDESIGN kitchens?

    Thanks in advance,

    Costas

    1. kitchenguy

      Con – they are fine, but not in the Top 20…
      kitchenguy

  32. Monty Geelan

    You have made some really good points there. I looked on the web for
    more info about the issue and found most individuals will go along with your views
    on this website.

  33. VTN

    Hi kitchenguy,

    I consider these 3 brands: Bulthaup, Varenna, and Valcucine based on the quality, design and innovation. I have seen your previous comments about Bulthaup and Valcucine compared in the same level. What do you think of Varenna? Is it the same level as Bulthaup and Valcucine?

    As you notice, I did not base on service as I have yet to find out. However, what I would like to know is your ranking for these 3 brands as 1 being the highest based solely on overall quality, design and innovation (regardless of price and location etc.)?

    Thank you very much. 🙂

    1. kitchenguy

      VTN – Bulthaup and Valcucine are high quality and inovative design. Varenna is not up to par with them.
      kitchenguy

      1. VTN

        Hi Kitchenguy,

        Thanks for the information. Okay hopefully, this will be my last question.
        We decided to go for an Italian brand. One is Valcucine as I think is the top in Italian brand but I would like to know your recommendation of the top 3 for Italian brands (regardless of price and location) or at least goes apples to apples with it.

        I have gone through your top 20 one by one. And I have some brands in mind. However, I would appreciate your recommendations for Italian brand to shortlist into 3 for me or your Top 3 Italian since you are expert already in the Italian brand names (based on overall quality, design and innovation).

        I have chosen Bulthaup and Valcucine as my first choices. Now that I will be focusing on Italian brand at least to give myself some choices before we set our final decision.

        I really appreciate your help.

        Thank you very much in advance.

        1. kitchenguy

          VTN – it is impossible – any of these Italian brands, in the Top 20 are very good and one offers things the other doesn’t… – they are all tops!
          kitchenguy

        2. Lucy

          Kitchen Guy,

          Valcucine and bulthaup are very different brands, but we’re also between the same brands! I have been leaning toward bulthaup, but am worried I’m just more familiar as an architect. Valcucine is beautiful, but will it last the test of time like bulthaup is said to?

          1. kitchenguy

            Lucy – sorry, but your question is not clear…
            They are both great 🙂
            kitchenguy

  34. Berry Throgmorton

    Spot on with this write-up, I truly think this web site needs
    far more attention. I’ll probably be back again to read more, thanks for the information!

  35. George

    Hi kitchenguy,

    Thank you for your blog. Is there very much difference between Hacker Classic and RWK? As a layman I can’t tell !

    George

    1. kitchenguy

      George – mainly, it is the number of options and the ability to customize.
      kitchenguy

  36. PK

    Kitchenguy, your comments and insight are very helpful.
    Do you have any thoughts on Pedini v. Miton?

    1. kitchenguy

      PK – Pedini is several levels above Miton, in every aspect.
      kitchenguy

  37. Jon

    We have a choice between a fully lacquered Balerina kitchen and a Hacker with a laminate front and a PVC edging. Price is similar but the balerina dealer is offering far better appliances
    What’s your view on the quality between the 2 companies and the different finish in units?

    Many thanks in advance

    1. kitchenguy

      Jon – hacker is a better pdoduct but balerina is giving you more expensive doors and appliances… – your call…
      kitchenguy

  38. Rebecca Han

    What great site! thank you for all of the valuable information.
    We’re looking for Modern /Minimal Style of cabinetry, Well made & low maintenance. We have a large kitchen so pricing is a factor. Is there any possibility you might at some point rearrange your list according to approximate average price range? For us at least it would be a huge help!
    Thank you so much!
    Aloha, from Hawaii!

    1. kitchenguy

      Rebecca Han – sorry, but I’m not sure who’s left in Hawaii… This last recession dwindled down the number of options on the islands…
      Maybe somone will reday this and respond.
      kitchenguy

  39. PK

    Kitchenguy, I am so impressed with the fact that you are sharing your knowledge with the public all over the world – My husband and I are truly laymen when it comes to kitchen cabinetry and we are very drawn to the Italian/European brands. At this time we are debating between Pedini and ValCucine – both are offered within the state of Florida. Do you have any advice as to which may be better for a family with 2 adults and 2 kids?

    1. kitchenguy

      PK – thanks for the kind words. Both are great products – make your decision based on the local people, handling these products. I must feel comfortable with the dealer. At the end of the day – all these products are only as good as the people behind them…
      Good luck!
      kitchenguy

  40. Mike

    Kitchenguy, for a kitchen remodel in California (Bay Area) with local representation and a mid tier price range (say $35K – $50K for cabinets in an sligtly above average size kitchen) can you narrow the top 20 to 3-5 that will meet this criteria

    1. kitchenguy

      Mike – based on the geographical availability and budget range, these are your options: Pedini, Poggenpohl, Snaidero, Varenna.
      Good luck!
      kitchenguy

  41. Bharatnesa

    hi Kitchenguy, we r in a dilemma now. Fortunately, i come across ur blog and found it more useful. How do u differentiate Veneta cucine and Aran ?
    ur answer would be more helpful in terms of our decision. Tks, Bharatnesa

    1. kitchenguy

      Bharatnesa – they are both ‘price driven’ products, but based on recent service reports and current quality to price ratio, I’d go with Aran (assuming the price is similar).
      Good luck!
      kitchenguy

  42. mike

    Your opinion on Snaidero Kitchens….the OLA 20 in particular??

    1. kitchenguy

      Mike – good company, very nice model.
      kitchenguy

    1. kitchenguy

      Sue – these are beautiful!
      Thanks,
      kitchenguy

  43. aga

    Hey Kitchen Guy,

    So we have finalized our kitchen decision however I would like your opinion of countertop material. In the past we have always selected a Caesar Stone but I am enamoured with the ultra thin 10mm countertops and am looking at the Neolith product. In your opinion is the 10mm porcelain surface good enough for a kitchen counter? I have pretty long straight runs and a 10′ island.

    Thanks! Once again yours is the only expert opinion I trust 🙂

    -a

    1. kitchenguy

      aga – I personally love Caesarstone and Neolith, so I guess this decison needs to be all yours… 🙂
      kitchenguy

    1. kitchenguy

      Michael – the two are similar – go with the one that you like better. either the product, the design, the designer or the showroom.
      Good luck!
      kitchenguy

  44. Ricky

    Hi Kitchen Guy,

    Compare Boffi and Hacker, which one will you prefer? We are now struggling which one to go for…

    And, in this top 20 that you have compile, if you have to pick one only, which company will you go for?

    1. kitchenguy

      Ricky – Boffi is like a Maserati, Haecker is an Audi. Choose based on what you think you like… – uniquness, design, performence, value, service, etc – they should all go into account.
      kitchenguy

  45. Hayfa

    Hi Kitchenguy,

    Please compare Zeyko, Wellmann and Zaccariotto in terms of quality. We are talking about the same material and finish (Melamine/Laminate, matt and glossy). The difference in price between the 3 is not that big.

    Thank you

  46. Hayfa

    Hi Kitchenguy,

    Please compare Zeyko, Wellmann and Zaccariotto in terms of quality. We are talking about the same material and finish, Melamine/Laminate matt and glossy. The difference in price between the three is not that big.

    Thank you

    1. kitchenguy

      Hayfa – Zeyko, Zaccariotto and Welmann, in this order.
      kitchenguy

  47. Samir Rzayev

    Hi Kitchenguy,
    Could you please compare Boffi, Toncelli, Dada, Varenna and Arclinea from price/quality ratio. All of them are on your top 20 list, I know, but how would you rate them. If you can’t rate from the price/quality ratio, then only from price level, from high to low.
    Thanks so much.

    1. kitchenguy

      Samir Rzayev – Boffi, Toncelli, Dada, Arclinea and Varenna, in this order.
      kitchenguy

  48. Harun Ayd?n

    Thanks for your straightforward and very helpfull answers. Two questions ;
    # What is your personel list for the best in your top 20 and in what sense ?
    # Are there any other list like this ?

    Thanks a lot
    HA

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